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	<title>Comments on: Why we&#8217;re always gonna be tiny.</title>
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		<title>By: DrakNet</title>
		<link>http://www.drak.net/news/2008/04/18/banter-why-were-always-gonna-be-tiny/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>DrakNet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn - where did you read in the above that we can't "afford" to do it and "can't" compete on  the offerings? I could change the account offerings to a something insane and meaningless right now, and the fact is it's not likely going to change much about what the servers do and what people use on their account for the most part. That wasn't the point.

The point was that IMO, people that are uneducated are lulled into a false sense of security as far as what they can do on a shared hosting account when the allotments are marketing gimmicks and not any true measure of they can accomplish. IMO, Dreamhost's allotments are as such. They are within their rights to oversell their network by 100,000X capacity - some people don't agree with it.

I personally think there's a difference between overselling, and overselling to such an extreme that it robs your average user of any indications that could glean from allotments as to what is, on average, possible to do.

Perhaps you can tweak code within an inch of its life, write it all clean, and twist everything so that it fits - that's not, though, the average experience for the average user. It's an educated anomaly and not the average experience. If they sell as if it is, it appears to me that it is somewhat of a misrepresentation.

Maybe we're "doing it wrong", but I seem to gain more business from people leaving Dreamhost than I lose to Dreamhost - so I think I'll stick with my way of doing things if its all the same, thanks. If it works for them and their users, that's great. I simply don't agree with it.

Thanks for stopping by, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn - where did you read in the above that we can&#8217;t &#8220;afford&#8221; to do it and &#8220;can&#8217;t&#8221; compete on  the offerings? I could change the account offerings to a something insane and meaningless right now, and the fact is it&#8217;s not likely going to change much about what the servers do and what people use on their account for the most part. That wasn&#8217;t the point.</p>
<p>The point was that IMO, people that are uneducated are lulled into a false sense of security as far as what they can do on a shared hosting account when the allotments are marketing gimmicks and not any true measure of they can accomplish. IMO, Dreamhost&#8217;s allotments are as such. They are within their rights to oversell their network by 100,000X capacity - some people don&#8217;t agree with it.</p>
<p>I personally think there&#8217;s a difference between overselling, and overselling to such an extreme that it robs your average user of any indications that could glean from allotments as to what is, on average, possible to do.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can tweak code within an inch of its life, write it all clean, and twist everything so that it fits - that&#8217;s not, though, the average experience for the average user. It&#8217;s an educated anomaly and not the average experience. If they sell as if it is, it appears to me that it is somewhat of a misrepresentation.</p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;re &#8220;doing it wrong&#8221;, but I seem to gain more business from people leaving Dreamhost than I lose to Dreamhost - so I think I&#8217;ll stick with my way of doing things if its all the same, thanks. If it works for them and their users, that&#8217;s great. I simply don&#8217;t agree with it.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, though!</p>
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		<title>By: Yawn</title>
		<link>http://www.drak.net/news/2008/04/18/banter-why-were-always-gonna-be-tiny/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Yawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A post talking crap about what others do is no less of a gimmick than the stuff you're complaining about. 

Also, you don't seem to get how overselling works, since you referred to it as a lie.  The companies that offer limits you can't have a lot more money than you.  What's impossible for you isn't them. 

Not to mention, Dreamhost is easily the most open and honest host in the business, so that was kinda cheesy.  They've even explained on their blog how and why the overselling works.

If I was a billionaire and said I was getting all of my friends a new Bentley for Christmas, are you going to tell me it's impossible because you can't afford to do it?  It's the same thing. 

Also, there are plenty of people using up the full bandwidth or diskspace.  Just because people can't do it with a bloated script full of bugs doesn't make it impossible.  Clean code gets you much further.

When you can't compete with millionaires on price, it's best to not even try.  The ones that sit around complaining about competitors usually aren't offering as good of a product/service as they think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A post talking crap about what others do is no less of a gimmick than the stuff you&#8217;re complaining about. </p>
<p>Also, you don&#8217;t seem to get how overselling works, since you referred to it as a lie.  The companies that offer limits you can&#8217;t have a lot more money than you.  What&#8217;s impossible for you isn&#8217;t them. </p>
<p>Not to mention, Dreamhost is easily the most open and honest host in the business, so that was kinda cheesy.  They&#8217;ve even explained on their blog how and why the overselling works.</p>
<p>If I was a billionaire and said I was getting all of my friends a new Bentley for Christmas, are you going to tell me it&#8217;s impossible because you can&#8217;t afford to do it?  It&#8217;s the same thing. </p>
<p>Also, there are plenty of people using up the full bandwidth or diskspace.  Just because people can&#8217;t do it with a bloated script full of bugs doesn&#8217;t make it impossible.  Clean code gets you much further.</p>
<p>When you can&#8217;t compete with millionaires on price, it&#8217;s best to not even try.  The ones that sit around complaining about competitors usually aren&#8217;t offering as good of a product/service as they think.</p>
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